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There have been numerous UFO documentaries produced for television over the years, but

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in almost every instance, the opinions of skeptics and debunkers have tended to influence

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the final director's cut. The testimony of credible eyewitnesses to incredible events

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has tended to be devalued at best or totally ignored at worst. UFO's hard evidence aims

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to redress the balance by affording witnesses, as well as UFO researchers, the opportunity

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to state their case in front of our cameras. For want of a better description, UFO's hard

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evidence is the world's first UFO video magazine, bringing you the important interviews and

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images that really matter. The truth can indeed be found. Out there. Provided that is, you

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know where to look.

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Coming up in volume one of UFO's hard evidence. Huge and mysterious triangular shaped UFOs

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have been dominating the skies above Britain over the last few years. We talked to UFO researchers

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who have been at the forefront of investigating these strange occurrences, and we interviewed

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a pilot of a light aircraft whose routine flight over north-west England was suddenly

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interrupted by the appearance of a strange triangular shadow. We have an exclusive interview

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with leading abduction expert Tony Dodd, and quickly discover why he believes strange tales

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of people being whisked away in the night by alien visitors is very real and not imagined.

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In our global news roundup, we contrast the difference in public and media perception

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to the subject overseas with that experienced here in Britain. We also have some stunning

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images of the opening and closing ceremonies of the first world UFO forum from Brazil,

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the biggest UFO conference ever.

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We also take an in-depth look at some extraordinary NASA footage being back to Earth from orbiting

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space shuttles STS-80 and STS-48 and pose the vital question, is this conclusive evidence

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that Earth is being visited from beyond our planet? Or might it instead depict secret

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space technologies deployed by NASA? This and a few surprises elsewhere is contained

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in volume one of UFO's hard evidence.

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In 1989 and 1990, Belgium experienced a sudden and unexpected wave of UFO reports, all describing

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a huge and often silent triangular shaped object. Over 2,000 eyewitnesses came forward

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to report their sighting. Among them, Belgian Air Force pilots and police officers. Skeptics

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would have you believe that every single one of the 2,000 reports can be rationally explained.

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They put forward misidentifications of conventional aircraft lights, the planet Venus or other

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celestial bodies in space, stealth aircraft or plain and simple hoaxes. These explanations

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may appear perfectly reasonable on the surface but I would ask you to consider the sheer

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volume of reports and also this. This hitherto classified document surfaced through the American

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Freedom of Information Act. It gives details about a Belgian television chat show in March

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of 1990. The subject debated was entitled Belgium and the UFO issue. Take a look at

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the distribution list contained within this document. Every major military and intelligence

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agency is featured. Even people at the White House received information about what was

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discussed and by whom on this program. If nothing else, this one single document blows

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away the myth that UFOs are not considered to be of defence significance. There have

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been over 400 radar observations made of UFOs down the years but perhaps one of the most

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significant is a radar sequence released into the public domain by the Belgian Air Force

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itself. What you are seeing is the actual Belgian radar recording of a UFO which descends

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from 10,000 feet to 500 feet in less than 5 seconds. Had a human pilot been on board

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the UFO, the G forces alone would have resulted in instant death. Skeptics and debunkers dismissed

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the radar footage by claiming the object was merely a reflection of some distant landmark,

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a temperature inversion created by freak weather conditions. Most conveniently forget to mention

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that two Belgian F-16 fighters had been ordered to intercept and identify the UFO in question.

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Did the pilots that night believe they had been simply chasing artificially created images?

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Listen now to the actual words of one of those pilots as he described what happened during

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this incredible encounter.

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It stays very calm and you always get a feeling it does everything under control. Till it

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says well now it's enough and always happened. I think with me it was about 18 miles out

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that the thing just decides ok this is enough. Get an increase of airspeed from 50 to 100

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miles an hour straight to let's say Mach 8, Mach 9, Mach 10 incredibly and the altitude

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well it went from 5,000 feet straight up to 60,000, 70,000 foot just in a split second

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Despite the fact that ufologists have amassed over 400 actual radar recordings of UFOs down

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the years and remember those are only the ones we get to hear about, Skeptics and debunkers

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continue to either totally ignore these or worse insist that in every case they had to

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have been produced by either faulty equipment or temperature inversions. Try telling that

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to the F-16 pilot.

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In March 1993 a huge triangular shaped UFO penetrated British airspace and prompted Nick

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Pope then head of the M.O.D.'s UFO desk to conclude that it was extraterrestrial. Here's

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what he had to say about this particular incident.

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One particular wave of flying triangle sightings I investigated from around the Lincolnshire

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area I had received reports from UFO researchers that quote, cars were bumper to bumper or

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on the coastal road and everyone had seen this object. I thought well maybe but maybe

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not, let's check it out and let's just see if there isn't a bit of exaggeration creeping

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in there. As it happened there was a nearby military base so I phoned up the base commander

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and I said look I hope you don't think this is bizarre but we've heard these accounts

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but perhaps you can put me straight. The base commander said well actually no I can't, I

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was one of the people on that coast road and my car was stopped and I was looking out at

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this thing along with the rest of them and when I had things like that I began to say

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to myself and to my bosses you know I don't think this business of no defence significance

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really holds up anymore, I don't think we can say that these things are all aircraft

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lights and weather balloons, we've got something much more going on in our airspace. A flight

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of a squadron or rather four tornado fighters were coming back across the North Sea to their

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base in Britain. The tornado is pretty much one of the top aircraft in the RAF's inventory.

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These four aircraft were flying along quite happily, all of a sudden they were overtaken

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at high speed by a UFO, some sort of intergalactic joy rider or something, came flashing past

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their cockpit and disappearing off into the distance. They couldn't catch it, they made

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a report but really all they dared put down was stealth simply because they didn't know

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what else to say. I got into work on the 31st of March 1993 and the phones were ringing

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off the hook. Throughout the course of the morning it turned out that I was dealing with

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a huge wave of sightings over Britain but there were some very very interesting ones

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there. A family in Rougeley and Staffordshire saw this thing so close up that they leapt

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into their car and tried to chase it, it was moving slowly over the countryside, they'd

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heard this old familiar low humming sound, this low frequency sound that's rather akin

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to standing in front of the base speaker at a pop concert, that sort of thing, very unpleasant.

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They said they couldn't just hear it, they felt it, the waves passing through their body.

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The best sightings though on that particular night came from military personnel. The Guard

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patrol at a place called RAF Cosford near Wolverhampton saw this move directly over

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the base. They were absolutely gobsmacked and they checked of course the radar, interestingly

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there was nothing on the radar at all, there was nothing booked to fly, this was very late

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at night about 10 past 1 in the morning. They phoned the nearby RAF base RAF Shawbury

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and they said you won't believe this but we've just seen a flying saucer pass over

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the top of the base. I think the meteorological officer who took the call wondered perhaps

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whether they'd been having a little late night celebration or something but nonetheless

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he went outside to see what he could see and to his absolute amazement he saw a light coming

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his way from the direction of Cosford. It got closer and closer and it resolved itself

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into a very definite shape. He was not looking at a light in the sky, he was looking at a

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craft. He heard the low hum and he then witnessed the craft pass pretty much slap bang over

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the top of RAF Shawbury. He estimated that its size was midway between, it was very precise,

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good military sighting, midway between a C-130 Hercules transport aircraft and a Boeing

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747 jumbo jet, to hear about something pretty big in other words. The most fascinating and

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possibly disturbing aspect of this particular sighting was the fact that he had seen the

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craft fire, what he could only describe as a beam of light down at the countryside, a

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few hundred yards from the base. Again that was something that again made me think well

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there's more to this than meets the eye. There just seemed to be too many reports that you

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couldn't explain. How many people think it's of no defence significance when casually

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a UFO overtakes the fastest of our jet fighters. I don't think that's of no defence significance,

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it worries the hell. On the first of June 1997, light aircraft pilot Malcolm Smith and

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a friend took off from Barden airfield near Manchester en route to Canaverne in north

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Wales. Weather conditions were ideal at the time. Shortly after 11.15am and while cruising

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at an altitude of approximately 1500 feet, they both observed something beneath them

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which caused real alarm, the distinct outline of a massive triangle. UFO investigator David

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Caighten was particularly intrigued, not least because he'd already interviewed a family

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who had spotted a flying triangle later that same day while travelling along the M56 motorway

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in Cheshire. We're standing on the control tower at Barden aerodrome in Manchester and

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I'm talking to Malcolm Smith who's a pilot of a Jodel aircraft and I ended up speaking

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to Malcolm and his co-pilot because a family were coming along the motorway, the M56 towards

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Stockport from Holiday on the evening of Sunday 1st June 1997 and saw this massive triangle

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and our local paper the Stockport Express put a little item out with the Seal Families

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Agreement looking for other witnesses. To our delight, Malcolm rang me up because his

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sister lives in the Stockport area, bought the paper and remembered Malcolm telling her

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about this triangle that undertook their aircraft on the same day, beautiful sunny morning,

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not like today, of 1st June. So perhaps Malcolm would like to explain what himself and Martin

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saw when they were flying to Wales. Basically, we planned a route to go from Barden to Canaver

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which entails us going along the edge of the north edge of the Liverpool Zone which takes

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us a track along just south of Wigan and past the place called Rainford which is near

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St Helens. The way we're cruising up to about 1500 feet, 90 knots approximately, when Martin

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who was in the co-pilot sees on the right hand side suddenly drew my attention to a very

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large triangle shaped shadow that was overtaking our starboard wing which I saw immediately

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and it just appeared to be a very sharply defined triangle shaped shadow measuring approximately

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150 to 200 foot across the wingspan. It was travelling almost exactly the same direction

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as us which is due west and overtaking us, I would say it was probably doing twice the

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speed that we were doing. Immediately we were a little bit concerned because the nature

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of the shadow was so sharp and well defined, we were expected to be very close to where

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our aircraft was so we were quite concerned about the possibility of a collision. So we

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had a look around everywhere to see what it was that was creating this shadow, there was

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absolutely nothing in the sky at all and it was clear blue sky, it was much, much clearer

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day than it is today. So we were really taking it back, we were just lost as to what it was

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that was causing it, we didn't really know what to do so we just carried on basically

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to Canarvern and reported it to the people there at the airport. You logged it in your

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flying log and your personal log and I believe a log here at Barton is right. There's two

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logs, there's a personal flying log and then there's also a log which is attached to the

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airplane, anybody reports anything slightly unusual about the airplane or conditions of

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the days put down on that log. Did you talk to any air traffic controllers like Manchester

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Air Force? No we didn't because we were clear of the both Liverpool and Manchester's own

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long way to go to Canarvern so we didn't really need to be in contact with anybody, we were

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still on Barton's frequency but I thought it was inappropriate to notify them about

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it at the time. So we don't know whether they had it on radar or even you were on radar

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and they went back and took it to Manchester? They tend to follow people fairly close to

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the zone on radar just to make sure they're not going to infringe into the airspace. So

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you would have been on radar? It's possible we would have been on radar. We won't know

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whether this thing causing the shadow was on radar. Even though we couldn't see anything

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visually. Looking at the soil absolutely. We did a few clearing turns to make sure it

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wasn't behind us or above or below. There's absolutely nothing. Well since that event

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had two other pilots contact us flying in a micro light on Sunday the 6th of July so

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it was another Sunday event and they were flying back from Cranfield in Bedfordshire

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from an aviation weekend and they weren't too far from you. They were sort of Newton

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Willows, Haydock area they thought. Yeah. And 1200 feet, beautiful sunny day again they

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said and the triangle shadow passed them in the opposite direction. They were non decided

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about to be between 60 miles an hour to 200. The two of them couldn't make their minds

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up to your brothers. So they were equally non-plussed and mystified by talk. Because

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again they couldn't see an object causing the shadow. So that's interesting. We may

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have some more information I don't know. At approximately 11.45pm that same night Peter

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and Wynseale with their two sons Craig and Scott were travelling along the M56 motorway

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in Cheshire when they too spotted a triangular shaped craft between junctions 11 and 12.

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Here's David Caden again. Well on the night of Sunday the 1st of June the Seal family

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that's Mom and Dad with sons Scott and Craig who are 17 and 20 years of age were coming

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back from Wales from holiday back to Heaton, Mersey and Stockport and as they got to the

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junction 9 there just behind us over the M6 this all this triangular object hovering

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over the farm behind me with lights on each corner blue and red with white lights amongst

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them. Way back they thought it was some lights on a tower because they were so still. They

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got to just pass the junction here by the embankment and the triangle shot over the

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cart about 150 foot up and the experience of buzzing humming noise as it went over.

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And then it went onto the opposite side of the motorway and followed down towards Stockport

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in their direction roughly about 200 yards into the fields and gradually pulling away

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from them and after about a mile a mile and a half they seemed to be catching up again

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and it seemed to be looking as though it was going to land. Anyway it slowed down did a

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shallow sort of dive and disappeared behind the trees of bushes. Though they couldn't

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actually see it touched the ground because of the bushes. Anyway they weren't inclined

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to stop on the motorway and were very shating up to see if the object came back up again

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so they carried on home to Stockport. There is no doubt in my mind that some of the so

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called flying triangles especially the smaller sized versions might well be some form of

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covert experimental aircraft. Take for example the following case. We're here at Littendale

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in North Yorkshire. This entire region over the years has been synonymous with a great

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deal of UFO activity. At the river nearby for instance a farmer came across a glowing

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ball of light just a few feet above the surface water. The water underneath was bubbling.

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Just further across and beyond the river are some unusual stones. It's private land but

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the whole area has been a regular scene of activity by SAS soldiers presumably out on

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maneuvers. But on Wednesday the 14th of January 1998 two witnesses had just arrived home here

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when they looked at the valley behind me. They saw a red light. What happened next seems

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to indicate an appearance by the mysterious flying triangle. Initially I thought perhaps

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a tornado. In fact I was very very convinced it was a tornado. It was soundless but that

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again didn't surprise me. Vivian then looked up. The aircraft was directly overhead at

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this time. What did surprise me was the fact that it had green lights down one side. Red

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lights on the other wing. I then looked directly upwards as the aircraft was overhead. There

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was two green lights on one of the wings on the side. Another two red lights on the opposite

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wing. A small white light somewhere I would think between the red and the green lights

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and a very very large white light at the rear. At that point we could just make out a delta

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shaped aircraft. It certainly wasn't a tornado. It was still soundless and as it moved slightly

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past our position we've got the big Hawkswick Moor fell at the rear. There was a tremendous

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noise as it gained altitude and it had to very very quickly otherwise it would probably

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have been straight into the fell. It didn't look like any aircraft that we see regularly

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flying over these tops. I'm absolutely convinced it was an aircraft. It looked quite similar

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in configuration to the Mirage, i.e. the Delta shape but we couldn't see a front and we couldn't

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see a rear. We couldn't see any assembly underneath but definitely the wings were very very sharp.

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Which did surprise me. The noise was unusual but that could have been because it was gaining

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altitude. What were the features about this particular observation that distinguished

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it from say normal military overflights? This particular valley as I say is renowned for

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air exercises. Usually when you see one aircraft like this it's usually followed very very

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quickly by one or two chase aircraft. Being conversant with normal aircraft you know it

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was unusual in the sense that when it went overhead there was a tremendous noise. The

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noise that I haven't heard before and it moved at an angle then possibly 70 degrees

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to take it over the fell which did surprise me. The noise was tremendous but as I say

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for 6-7 seconds it was absolutely silent. I couldn't explain or identify the aircraft.

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What was unusual again was that approximately 60 minutes later we heard the noise again

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and we immediately went outside and we could see the aircraft moving directly west. Now

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of course 20 miles west of here there have been numerous observations of this so called

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mysterious flying triangle. I would say this was definitely a man made vehicle. I've no

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doubt about that but I couldn't identify it and it was definitely Delta shape and as far

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as I'm aware the last real Delta shape aircraft the area flew was the Vulcan bomber it certainly

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wasn't that. This was small, manoeuvrable maybe 35 feet in length. It carried a light

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configuration which I haven't seen before and as I say we see aircraft moving over here

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all the time to the day and night. Chan sightings of the flying triangles often by credible

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and professional observers has attracted the attention of numerous UFO researchers keen

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to discover any clues as to their origin. Is there for instance anything to suggest that

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some of the flying triangles are indeed extraterrestrial? We put that question to leading British UFO

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investigator and former police officer Tony Dodd. The thing which distinguishes what I

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consider to be extraterrestrial vehicles are the enormous triangles the ones which are

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as big as football pitches which once again carry the characteristic either white light

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on each appendage or red whatever and they usually have this red belly light. These things

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have been reported coming out of the sea. They've been reported hovering over fishing

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boats up in the Arctic Circle in the Atlantic. They've been reported hovering over motorways

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certainly I've had reports from over the M5 motorway the M1 the M6 and we've had occasions

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where these have been reported in Scotland of course and then there was the famous case

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in Scotland where one of these gigantic triangles was seen to come down a land in a field and

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the witnesses actually observed alien creatures coming from them. How did these aliens manifest

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themselves? Well they didn't manifest as such what happened was they actually saw this

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craft on the ground and they were no more than 50 yards away from it and they had a

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pair of binoculars with them and it appears that the aliens weren't aware they were being

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observed. There were a large number of the small aliens, the small which we would normally

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call the grey aliens. What sort of numbers are we talking about? Well the witnesses said

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that at one stage they thought there could have been up to a hundred and they seemed

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to be working in groups each under the supervision of a tall brown faced oriental looking alien.

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They said the tall ones could have been anything up to seven feet tall and it was obvious when

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they'd been watching it for a few minutes that each one group of these small aliens was

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working under the supervision of one of these very large ones and they were racing about

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in and out of the forest which was next to where the craft was down, cutting in tubular

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and round objects and they were going from the craft to the forest and back and the witnesses

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weren't sure whether they were taking stuff from the craft to the forest or vice versa

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but they were very graphic with the descriptions and other things that they sort of should

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describe at the time, I hover in balls like the grass balls which were dimpled like a

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golf ball and inside one of these balls was one of these very large oriental aliens. This

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ball was hovering off the ground fifteen, twenty feet and it was slowly but surely rotating.

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Possibly an observer, we don't know, possibly somebody who was a lookout if they use that

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go anything, I don't know but that is what was described as happening. If you're still

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uncertain as to the origins of the flying triangles, here's something that I'd ask

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you to consider. If these flying triangles are indeed some form of unconventional stealth

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type craft, that would mean there would have to be dozens of covert squadrons operating

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them simply to account for the many thousands of worldwide sightings. It's an interesting

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proposition and one that the skeptics and debunkers have difficulty accepting but let's

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not kid ourselves. The United States Air Force can of course keep secrets. This photograph

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for instance of an F117 stealth aircraft was taken in 1975, a full fifteen years before

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the aircraft was finally unveiled to the public. But has modern technology reached the stage

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where it can manufacture triangular craft as big as football fields that can hover silently,

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craft that can move from horizon to horizon in the blink of an eye, craft that can safely

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enter and emerge from our oceans. Those are the important questions we must ask. We might

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not at this present time have all the answers but we will continue to probe in the right

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places in an effort to get to the bottom of this mystery once and for all and when we

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do, when we do have some real answers, you'll find them here in UFOs Hard Evidence.

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Coming up next on UFOs Hard Evidence are abductions real. What evidence leads them

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to animal mutilations? An exclusive interview with Tony Dodd. In this exclusive interview

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with leading UK investigator Tony Dodd, we examine two specific areas of UFO research

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which often lends itself to scorn and criticism. Alien abductions and animal mutilations. We

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invited Tony to tell us what first sparked his interest in the phenomena.

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It was twenty years ago, it was a long time, 1978 when I was a police officer. I actually

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had a confrontation with one of these things when I was a working police officer and I

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was on duty one night in 1978 when me and a colleague actually had a confrontation with

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one of these things. This was commonly near Skipton in North Yorkshire and I was driving

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a police car, he was the observer and we came round a bend in a country lane and there was

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this thing sitting in the air in front of us and it was absolutely stunning to see, it

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was a huge disc about a hundred feet in diameter, had a dome on the top of it with what appeared

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to be portals darkened portals around the dome. It had a skirt around the underside and

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coloured flashing lights which were flashing on and off almost like a neon sign effect

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and there was three large globes or balls protruding from the underside, they were spaced

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evenly on the underside. I stopped the car and we got out, there was a very, very heavy

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static that had come on the police car radio at that time. I don't know the course, it

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may have been because of this thing was there but it wouldn't be right to jump to conclusion

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but this static suddenly set up on the radio and I got out of the car both of us did and

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we stood there sort of an open mouth looking at this thing as it slowly moved away from

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us but despite its enormous size there was no sound coming from the damn thing, the only

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sound that we heard at that time was where it was displaced in the air when it started

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to move away from us and the thing was though it was absolutely beautiful to look at, I

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couldn't help remembering at the time thinking what kind of engineers put something like

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this together because it was absolutely extraordinary it was and that's what got me into the thing

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because I was determined I was going to find out, I mean I had not long been out of the

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RAF and my last postings I had been on Air Force bases where they were testing the very

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latest technology in aircraft and at that time the aircraft of the time which we were

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under test were the lightning, of course it was a lightning station and the cambera and

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that was our most advanced technology at the time they were only testing them at that time

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they were test flying them, now this thing was years and years and years ahead of anything

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like that, it was no question about it at all it was something that we hadn't got and

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I knew it from the moment I saw it.

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Tony you've now become a fully fledged and widely respected UFO investigator in your

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own right but wouldn't it be fair to say that you're a little broad interested in the UFO

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of dictas focused on two specific areas I'm thinking particularly about your recent work

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in abductions and animal mutilations what is it about these two areas that attracts

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your interest?

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Well let's be in the first instance when I got involved in this business I had no idea

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it was going to take me in the act of the direction it did and I've been mainly been

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governed by instances which have come to my notice and the abduction side of it was when

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somebody came to me once again as a policeman and said that they'd been chased by a helicopter

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some years ago and the end product was that they'd ended up with missing time and they

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were complaining about the low flying of this helicopter, well of course I checked on this

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as a policeman and found that there was no helicopters of course flying at this particular

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time and they certainly wouldn't be flying in that location at night because of low

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high voltage of wire over the roads that took me into the abduction side of things and as

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things developed you tend to go it's like the branches of a tree you go up the main

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trunk with your normal UFO work and you're suddenly led in different directions all sorts

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of things are associated with this as you well know the animal mutilation started to

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come into the picture when they were starting at high concentrations of UFOs in specific

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areas and then within very very short time people were finding animals killed and mutilated

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in very strange ways and that is when I started to focus on this as possibly linked to the

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UFO phenomenon as with the abduction case the first case I ever dealt with when this

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was looked in at great length it turned out of course eventually hypnosis was used to

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try to recover the missing time of this individual and we got the classic answers from this person

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there's no doubt about it being an abduction involved and it all went from that particular

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direction.

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Now skeptics and debunkers of course will continue to maintain all such accounts of

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so-called alien abductions of foolish nonsense how would you count of these?

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Well first of all it was the skeptics and debunkers that said that the world was flat

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for 300 years despite some of the top scientists of the time saying it was round it's very very

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easy for a skeptic or debunker to turn round and say to people who've done years and years

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of research this is absolute rubbish it's very very easy this is what they do all the

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time and of course when we say well you you prove to me that what I'm saying is rubbish

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and they will turn around and say well it's not for us to prove that you're right it's

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not for us to prove that you're wrong it's for you to prove that you're right and so

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we're always going to be faced with this thing and as much information as you put before

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these people they will do their best to pull it to pieces but the facts are the facts particularly

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if we talk about things like alien abductions where there's such a wide variety of people

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being involved in this and I'm talking about highly intelligent people and a great many

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who know nothing whatsoever about the subject we're getting them all over the world as you

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well know people who are very very backward are not in touch with the media and things

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less and they tell in the same stories now is everybody imagining the things is everybody

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making these things up what are they to gain particularly these sort of backward countries

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by saying things like this but that is not the point it's the facts that point to abduction

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and there are so many many facts which are occurring repeatedly which I'm absolutely

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convinced they're taking place

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There's just those eyes they solve and they're so cold

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Nothing's going to hurt you there's nothing to be frightened of

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There is no emotion there is nothing in those eyes at all

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What are the eyes like?

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Like almond shape but they're just like a bug eye

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There's no middle there's nothing like it and then they're just cold they're all around me now

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there's about three or four and they are absolutely determining them

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no matter how much I protest now for myself they've got to carry on with some blood on a

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tool of some sort but I just don't seem to be able to see where it's coming from

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Can you describe the tool? What does it look like?

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One's got a problem there

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and I know I understand this time what they're saying and that this seems to be great excitement

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in the fact that I've had history correct to me goodness only knows why and that they all

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coming together now and oh they're so so interested in in what has happened there and the whys and the

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wherefores and these three seem to have spoken to this one and and it's up to this one to get the probe

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and I see this probe

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uh-huh

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yes yes they're not going to hurt you

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the next thing is that this probe goes in my name but it hurts so much

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yes yes yes and I'm screaming I'm begging for God's sake he calls me so much pain

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uh-huh yes yes and and at this point I beg them that they don't start they just

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carry on it's just a little bit of a job to do and it is as if they don't hear what they don't want to hear but they carry on

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What sort of background do these people have?

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Once again a wide background they come from all sorts of different backgrounds

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you can as I say you can go from the office worker the shop worker to somebody who's a

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company director to somebody who works in a high level position for the ministry of defense

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people who are actually in the military you name it they're all involved

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Now lately you've been investigating and reporting on numerous accounts of strange

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some might say bizarre animal mutilation deaths when did you first come across these and where precisely?

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Well they're certainly bizarre that's for sure um or many years ago um I'd been monitoring uh

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It's basically again UFOs where we were getting concentrations of UFO reports that's we were focusing on the UFOs and then

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it seemed to transpire that when these UFOs have been in the area people started to find these mutilated animals so

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I started to look much deeper into this and then it it went from one thing to another it started off mainly up in the

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the Highlands of Scotland where they started to find large numbers of seals

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dead on the beaches

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minus their heads their heads being surgically removed and

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I spoke to the police up there I spoke to the vet and resu did the autopsies on these bodies and they were all everybody was baffled

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um in one one occasion they found 40 seals dead on a beach a dry beach

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and um the vet said every one of the seals had had their said their head removed

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In a very precise surgical manner in fact every head had been cut off and the at the actual

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knife or whatever instrument was used cut between the same vertebra on every animal

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And the thing that was very predominant in all these cases was that there was a total blood loss from the bodies

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uh when I say blood loss the the blood had apparently disappeared from the carcasses

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There was never any sign of blood on the ground like with the seals. There was no sign of any blood on the beaches

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Where the animals are being killed?

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There were a hole there had a hole in their head

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um, and it appeared that the uh, the blood had been drained out of the bodies through this hole until the carcasses were totally dry of blood

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But also the brain and spinal cord was missing from some of these animals through a very very small hole

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Just that fact alone made the vet say well how the hell is how can something something do something like this?

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Now the interesting thing is that the one the one common factor with these things is the fact that there was always

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Some form of strange aerial activity being seen taking place in the areas where these things were happening

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Obviously, this is what drew me towards it now

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There was all sorts of things there was one where 40 pigs were killed in one field overnight. Um, but what?

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I started to look at it

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We don't just look straight at these things

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Trying to sort of work out what is what is behind it and what we were finding there were large numbers of animals being found in very concentrated areas

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i.e in a space of 50 feet on one incident

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Uh, there was several sheep dead. There were foxes dead

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00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:29,980
There was a dead uh, two dead deer and a dead donkey all in a very very close proximity to each other

415
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:31,900
Now if you look at this

416
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:33,100
closer

417
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,820
You find that these animals would normally not be seen seen anywhere in the vicinity of each other

418
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:40,220
They all have their own type of territory

419
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:42,460
But yet they were all in this very close

420
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:44,220
close

421
00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:45,580
Area

422
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:47,180
all dead

423
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:52,380
That then implied that whatever it was that was killing these animals was actually taking from the normal habitat

424
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:57,580
Doing what they do to them and then placing them all back on the ground in one lump

425
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:02,540
In other words, they were taking a cross section of animals doing these things to them and then dumping them all in the same place

426
00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:06,780
The very I think the breakthrough from my point of view became

427
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:09,420
Not very long ago

428
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:15,180
Certainly less than 12 months ago when a chap was driving a vehicle over a very remote moor over near Whitby

429
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:19,900
Uh in the dead of night. He was on his way back home. He had one of these breakdown trucks

430
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:24,140
No, it wasn't he was a he would been delivering scrap metal and he was on his way back with his vehicle

431
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:30,540
And suddenly as he was driving across the moor top is confronted with these blinding lights coming towards him on the road

432
00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:35,260
He got so frightened because of this he thought this vehicle was going to crash into him

433
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:37,580
He actually pulled off the side of the road to allow it to get past

434
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:40,220
Um, this thing shot past him

435
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:44,300
And then when it had gone past, of course, he pulls back onto the road and starts to drive

436
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:50,140
But he'd only gone 50 or 60 feet further down the road and he had to stop again because there were all the dead animals lying in the road

437
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:54,060
On this occasion, there was a dead donkey. There were dead deer dead sheep

438
00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:58,060
Dead foxes all lying in the middle of the road and he couldn't get past

439
00:42:58,460 --> 00:43:00,460
He actually had to tie an anchor

440
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:05,580
A rope from his vehicle onto the donkey and some of the and so on off to the side of the road

441
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:07,740
Enable to enable him to get past

442
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:09,180
now

443
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:11,180
Work it out for yourself if um

444
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:14,220
Something like that sound how was that vehicle coming the other way?

445
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:17,180
passed along that road

446
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:18,620
and

447
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:21,740
I am totally convinced now that this thing wasn't on the road surface

448
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:26,860
Probably just above the road surface after initially dumping these things and then shooting away

449
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:29,660
following on from that

450
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:35,420
Some form of predator might be at work here and responsible for these horrendous mutilations

451
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,900
What are we to make it this?

452
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:43,020
I honestly and truly believe and I've gone into this animal mutilation in great depth believe me

453
00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:46,220
Um, I honestly believe that there is a predator out there

454
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,700
But I believe more than one

455
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:53,340
Difficult to say but I mean if it's covering the it as on a global basis as it is

456
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:56,700
I would certainly suggest there's more than one because it's happening all over the world

457
00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:58,700
um

458
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:03,740
But the thing is when I say predator it's I don't think it's a predator by any concept we understand

459
00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:09,180
I think this is something when we tend to talk alien. I think this is alien to anything we really understand

460
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:16,220
It might be something which travels in the invisibility zone. Let's be right. There are things that we can't see i.e. we can't see in forever

461
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:17,740
It's there

462
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:21,260
These things may travel in these zones. They may be invisible to the naked eye

463
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,900
They may come and do what they do

464
00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:27,260
And we aren't going to see them if they're there anyway. We just don't know

465
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:30,940
The 64 000 question is why are they doing it?

466
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:35,740
Um, and I know there have been various reports from various parts of the world that they're the

467
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:41,420
Possages possible that that it's could have involved odd humans here and there, but i'm not going to go into that

468
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:45,740
Finally, there are people probably watching this interview wondering

469
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:48,060
Is this man for real?

470
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,820
Are you a foes real?

471
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,820
If you could look at that person right now

472
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:54,460
What would you say?

473
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:59,260
I would say first of all seek and you will find

474
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:03,660
But don't just condemn this subject without investigating it

475
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:07,900
It's very very easy to turn around and condemn things just off the top of your head

476
00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:10,380
We've put a lot of time and a lot of years

477
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:13,660
Into this investigation and I can assure you

478
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:19,340
Without any question of a doubt that aliens are here aliens have been here for a long time

479
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:25,660
And aliens are in contact with various elements of the military and other

480
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,300
countries diplomats

481
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,300
Uh, it wouldn't be prudent to me to say any more at this time

482
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:36,300
But if you could you could believe me if you wish if you don't believe me well, that's entirely up to you

483
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:42,540
But I gain nothing by saying these things only these are the things that I have uncovered during my investigations

484
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:53,820
Over the past few years our research has taken us to many foreign lands in search of hard evidence for the reality of UFOs

485
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:59,900
We visited the outer parameters of the top secret facility known as area 51 in nevada

486
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:03,500
Claimed by some to house crashed and recovered UFOs

487
00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:07,580
It was interesting that during a time spent in nearby las vegas

488
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:15,900
We managed to film this mysterious object which hovered in the distance right over area 51 before shooting away at speed

489
00:46:18,140 --> 00:46:22,060
Just a couple of years ago while in the airport terminal of rio de gineiro

490
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:25,180
En route to attend a conference in cura chiba brazil

491
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:28,300
A pencil thin object appeared overhead

492
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:32,620
It lingered long enough for us to capture these astonishing images

493
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:41,660
The very next day while outside the conference venue in cura chiba itself

494
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:44,700
This unusual object appeared overhead

495
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:51,820
Was it pure coincidence that such object should suddenly manifest themselves in front of an invited audience?

496
00:46:53,020 --> 00:47:00,620
In december last year I had the good fortune to attend the first world UFO forum in the brazilian capital brazilia

497
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:04,860
The following sequence is taken from the opening ceremony

498
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:13,980
And perhaps reflects the stature attached to what was by far the biggest and perhaps the most important UFO conference ever staged in the history of the subject

499
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,300
As you've no doubt already gathered

500
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:25,900
The importance that some attack to the UFO subject overseas is in stark contrast to the ridicule which is often heaped upon it here in britain and the united states

501
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:30,380
Nonetheless UFO researchers continue to plug away

502
00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:37,340
These researchers are looking for something tangible which can be used as material evidence in the great debate

503
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:41,260
One of these is photo and video analysts russell callahan

504
00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:49,500
Who combines his professional work with sifting through alleged UFO images that can often surface from the most surprising of places

505
00:47:51,180 --> 00:48:00,220
On the 15th of september 1991 the space shuttle discovery videotaped several glowing objects that floated along just above the earth's horizon

506
00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:07,260
The space shuttle discovery videotaped several glowing objects that floated along just above the earth's horizon

507
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:13,820
Before sharply changing direction apparently in response to a flash on the upper surface of the atmosphere

508
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:21,660
Watch now as two streets some say missiles pass through the same region of space vacated by the object

509
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:26,940
While nasa maintains the smaller objects were nothing more than ice crystals

510
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:30,300
acclaimed dismissed by dr. Jack kasha phd

511
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:36,540
Another segment of footage picked out by russell callahan might yet prove to be more significant

512
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:39,900
Jack kasha phd. He was intrigued

513
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:44,140
He wanted to back nasa's claims that ice crystals

514
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:51,180
Affected by the the rockets and and and the boosters on the space shuttle were what we were seeing on this particular videotape

515
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:54,940
It was astonished to find that on five separate occasions

516
00:48:55,500 --> 00:49:01,340
Not only could he prove that it wasn't ice crystals, but what we're looking at are intelligently controlled craft

517
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:04,220
Leaving an entry in the earth's atmosphere

518
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:06,620
Those are dr. Kasha's own claims

519
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:10,860
But the concentration has been on the streaks across the sky and the flashes

520
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:13,420
The flashes could well be the booster rockets

521
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:16,380
Of the shuttle maneuvering it in space

522
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,340
But further on there's another piece of footage which

523
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:22,620
Is more interesting to myself

524
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,060
That could actually show something that's not supposed to exist

525
00:49:26,860 --> 00:49:28,860
What we're looking at here is an hl 20

526
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,300
It's a prototype. It's an artist's drawing. It's an impression

527
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:35,260
It's never been built. So we're led to believe

528
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:38,220
The concept is for a 10 man shuttle

529
00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:42,300
Or a small amount of payload something that could be

530
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:45,020
Launched into space cheaply

531
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:46,460
to feed

532
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:49,900
Our impression of space station freedom. It could be a support vessel

533
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:53,340
Well, take a look at these three images

534
00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:55,980
three frames

535
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:57,980
from the sjs 48 footage

536
00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:00,380
a distant object filmed from

537
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:08,380
What is basically a security type camera a small black and white camera not made for tv images not made for production

538
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:14,220
Use just so that the astronauts on board the shuttle can actually see what's going on inside the payload bay

539
00:50:15,020 --> 00:50:17,420
Well, the payload bay is empty at this point

540
00:50:18,540 --> 00:50:20,140
The three frames

541
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:22,140
We've seen a triangular shaped object

542
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:25,100
Come in towards the shuttle

543
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:27,580
The camera actually follows it

544
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:34,060
And the right of the area at the top is actually the atmosphere of the earth as the the arm with the camera on

545
00:50:34,540 --> 00:50:36,780
Pans and tilts to follow this object

546
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:39,500
Now we can see clearly a deltas shaped

547
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,300
Wing and a tail

548
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:47,100
Don't forget. This is still probably several thousand feet away from the space shuttle

549
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:52,780
But if we read what the Langley research centre told us about the hl 20

550
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:57,740
And their idea that a small shuttle 29 feet long

551
00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:03,260
Capable of carrying up to 10 astronauts into low earth orbit or small amounts of payload

552
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:07,740
All very interesting that the thing that the claim back in the 1980s

553
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,940
Are that with its wings folded it will fit inside the payload bay of the shuttle

554
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:21,420
Now what more an empty shuttle bay a camera are we watching the hl 20 or a prototype of the hl 20?

555
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:27,740
Coming into the shuttle. Who knows but these questions have never been answered by NASA or by anyone else

556
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:35,500
SDS 80 is much more recent than sts 48

557
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:38,620
SDS 80 was at the end of

558
00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:41,420
1996

559
00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:43,420
What you're about to see

560
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:45,740
Are remarkable images

561
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:47,820
Filmed from the space shuttle

562
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:52,620
And filmed from a remote camera not a camera like the one we're using to record this program

563
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:56,620
But a camera that's made just to see the back door of the shuttle

564
00:51:57,020 --> 00:52:00,860
It's not made for high resolution pictures, but watch what happens

565
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:07,740
The flashes

566
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:11,820
Lightning strikes these occur every minute of the day somewhere on the earth

567
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:14,460
And of course we've seen quite an area of the earth

568
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:17,260
Plenty lightning strikes thunderstorms

569
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:20,220
Basically just weather activity

570
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:24,940
But the interesting point comes with these small objects seem to be

571
00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:27,740
wondering about

572
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:32,220
Controlled objects seem to know where they're going

573
00:52:33,980 --> 00:52:35,980
But watch the center area of the screen

574
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:40,380
Something quite remarkable is about to happen

575
00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:54,860
Not only something remarkable happening we see an enormous object come through the clouds

576
00:52:56,780 --> 00:52:59,660
If there were people on the shuttle or people monitoring these cameras

577
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:04,300
At ground control you would think there's something to say hey, what's going on up there?

578
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:07,180
Well watch

579
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:09,500
In the bottom right hand corner of the screen

580
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:12,620
Three objects forming a triangular shape

581
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:19,100
You think if somebody was watching and they had the facility to zoom with the camera

582
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:22,300
Then they get closer. Let's have a proper look

583
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,500
And indeed that's just what they do

584
00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:31,500
The footage you've just seen was sent to us by the San Francisco UFO museum

585
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,300
Remarkable as it is

586
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:38,460
It's been offered to news companies documentary makers

587
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:41,020
Broadcasters alike

588
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:43,980
It's yet to be seen on British television

589
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:46,940
Why?

590
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:56,140
Perhaps the best visual images of UFOs to surface in recent years has been those taken over Mexico

591
00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:16,460
So

592
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:46,460
So

593
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,100
These

594
00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:31,100
Extra ordinary images brought to this country by UFO researcher Santiago Gaza

595
00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:35,660
Amply demonstrate why Mexico has become the UFO hotspot of the world

596
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:41,500
Another leading figure helping to bring such images to a much wider world audience

597
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:45,100
Is television presenter and UFO researcher, Jami Masan

598
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:50,620
Among the guest overseas speakers at the 1998 Leeds International UFO conference

599
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:56,940
Jami often comes across all manner of strange and bizarre images while researching the UFO phenomenon

600
00:55:57,820 --> 00:56:02,380
But surely none more strange or bizarre than the sequence you're about to see now

601
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:10,060
This remarkable footage is claimed to have been taken in new Mexico in the early part of 1997

602
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:13,580
Watch closely as the UFO descends to the ground

603
00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:16,540
Note the rising dust and debris from impact

604
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:19,660
Then see how the UFO takes back to the air

605
00:56:20,220 --> 00:56:23,740
Only to descend one final time before exploding on impact

606
00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:26,940
Watch the sequence again

607
00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:29,340
Note the clouds of dust

608
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:31,500
The vapor trail

609
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:34,060
And also note how the picture remains still

610
00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:40,220
Indicating it was possibly mounted on a tripod and that the cameraman knew what to expect

611
00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:52,380
The UFO crash video might be nothing more than images taken of an experimental aircraft or missile that badly malfunctioned

612
00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:54,780
But then again, who's to say?

613
00:56:55,500 --> 00:57:01,740
It's yet another piece to add to a puzzle that continues to fascinate and attract the attention of millions throughout the world

614
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:08,540
Sure enough the images that we've seen and the accounts that have accompanied them could be construed as hard evidence

615
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:11,020
But of what specifically?

616
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:13,100
Are aliens visiting our planet?

617
00:57:13,580 --> 00:57:16,540
If so, who are they? Where are they from?

618
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:19,180
And why are they here?

619
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:23,260
These are deep-seated questions that will eventually be answered in the course of time

620
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,460
But time for now at any rate is against us

621
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:32,780
We hope very much that you've enjoyed this presentation and are a little better informed as a result

622
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:35,500
Keep watching the skies

623
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:39,100
And I hope you can join us again in volume two of UFO's

624
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:41,740
Hard Evidence

625
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:30,140
This was used to try to recover the missing time of this individual

626
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:35,180
And we got the classic answers from this person that had no doubt about it being an abduction involved

627
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:37,580
And it all went from that particular direction

628
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:45,500
Now skeptics and evidences of course would continue to maintain that all such accounts of so-called alien abductions are foolish nonsense

629
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:47,980
How would you counter these?

630
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:51,980
Well first of all it was the skeptics and debunkers that said that the world was flat for 300 years

631
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:55,820
Despite some of the top scientists of the time saying it was round

632
00:58:56,300 --> 00:59:01,900
It's very very easy for a skeptic or debunker to turn round and say to people who've done years and years of research

633
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:05,900
This is absolute rubbish. It's very very easy. This is what they do all the time

634
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:09,740
And of course when we say well you you prove to me that you're a real man and you're a real man

635
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:13,740
And you're a real man and you're a real man and you're a real man and you're a real man

636
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:18,060
This is what they do all the time and of course when we say well you you prove to me

637
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:23,020
That what i'm saying is rubbish and they will turn around and say well it's not for us to prove that you're right

638
00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:27,100
It's it's not for us to prove that you're wrong. It's for you to prove that you're right

639
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:32,540
And so we're always going to be faced with this thing and as much information as you put before these people

640
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:34,620
They will do their best to pull it to pieces

641
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:37,420
Um, but the facts are the facts

642
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:39,980
particularly if we talk about things like

643
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:42,620
alien abductions

644
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:48,620
Where there's such a variety a wide variety of people being involved in this and i'm talking about highly intelligent people

645
00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:51,180
And a great many who know nothing whatsoever about the subject

646
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:57,420
We're getting them all over the world as you well know people who are very very backward and not in touch with the media and things

647
00:59:57,420 --> 01:00:01,740
That and they tell in the same stories now. Is everybody imagining any things

648
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:05,020
Is everybody making these things up? What are they to gain?

649
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:08,700
Particularly these sort of backward countries by saying things like this

650
01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:14,060
But that is not the point. It's the facts that point to abduction and there are so many many facts

651
01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:16,460
Which are occurring repeatedly

652
01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:19,260
Which i'm absolutely convinced they're taking place

653
01:00:24,380 --> 01:00:27,580
There's just those eyes they solve when they're so cold

654
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:31,980
Yes

655
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:34,620
Nothing's going to hurt you there's nothing to be frightened of

656
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:38,460
There is no emotion there is nothing in those eyes at all

657
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:42,460
What are the eyes like?

658
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:45,420
Like arm and shape but they're just like a bug eye

659
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:50,540
There's no middle there's nothing like it and then they're just cold

660
01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:53,340
They're all around me now

661
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:56,060
There's about three or four and they are absolutely

662
01:00:56,780 --> 01:00:59,660
Determining them no matter how much i protest now for myself

663
01:01:00,220 --> 01:01:03,420
They've got to carry on this and blood on a tool of some sort

664
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:07,180
But i i just don't seem to be able to see where it's coming from

665
01:01:07,580 --> 01:01:09,580
Can you describe the tool? What does it look like?

666
01:01:15,020 --> 01:01:17,020
One's got a problem there

667
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:24,460
And i know i understand this time what they're saying and this seems to be

668
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:28,620
Great excitement in the fact that i've had history rectum

669
01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:32,620
It goodness only knows why and that they're all coming together now and

670
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:39,180
Oh, they're so so interested in in and what has happened there and the why's and the wherefores and

671
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:45,100
These three seem to have spoken to this one

672
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:50,780
And and it's up to this one to get the probe and i see this probe

673
01:01:55,180 --> 01:01:58,620
Yes, yes, they're not going to hurt you

674
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:03,020
The next thing is that this probe goes from an angle

675
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:06,140
And it hurts so much

676
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:08,540
Yes, yes

677
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:13,500
And i'm screaming i'm begging for god's sake you're causing me so much pain

678
01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:16,300
Oh, no

679
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:17,820
Yes, yes

680
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:22,060
And at this point i beg them that they don't start they just carry on

681
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:27,580
It's just a little bit of a job to do in this as if they don't hear or they don't want to hear but they carry on

682
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:32,220
What sort of background do these people have?

683
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:38,780
Once again a wide a wide background they come they come from all sorts of different backgrounds

684
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,420
You can as i say you can go from the office worker the shot worker

685
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:48,780
To somebody who's a company director to somebody who works for in a higher level position for the ministry of defense

686
01:02:49,420 --> 01:02:51,420
People who are actually in the military

687
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:58,140
You name it they're all involved now lately you've been investigating a reporting on numerous accounts of strange

688
01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:04,780
Some might say bizarre animal mutilation deaths. When did you first come across feet and where precisely?

689
01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:12,220
Well, the they're certainly bizarre that's for sure. Um or many years ago. Um i'd been monitoring

690
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:15,020
Certainly it's basically again ufo's

691
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:21,340
We were getting concentrations of ufo reports. That's we were focusing on the ufo's and then um

692
01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:28,300
It seemed to transpire that when these ufo's have been in the area people started to find these mutilated animals

693
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:31,500
So I started to look much deeper into this

694
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:37,820
And then it it it went from one thing to another it started off mainly up in the the highlands of scotland

695
01:03:37,820 --> 01:03:40,380
Where they started to find large numbers of seals?

696
01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:42,860
dead on the beaches

697
01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:46,620
minus their heads their heads being surgically removed and uh

698
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:48,460
I spoke to the police up there

699
01:03:48,460 --> 01:03:52,940
I spoke to the vet and resued did the autopsies on these bodies and they were all everybody was baffled

700
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:58,220
um in one one occasion they found uh 40 seals dead on a beach a dry beach

701
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:03,740
and um the vet said every one of the seals had had their said their head removed

702
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:05,500
um

703
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:10,140
In a very precise surgical manner in fact every head had been cut off and the at the actual

704
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:14,540
knife or whatever instrument was used cut between the same vertebra on every animal

705
01:04:14,780 --> 01:04:19,500
And the thing that was very predominant in all these cases was that there was a total blood loss from the bodies

706
01:04:20,220 --> 01:04:24,220
Uh when I say blood loss the the blood had apparently disappeared from the carcasses

707
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:29,180
There was never any sign of blood on the ground like with the seals. There was no sign of any blood on the beaches

708
01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:32,220
Um, there was no sign of any blood on the ground

709
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:34,780
Where the animals have been killed?

710
01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:36,860
There were a hole they had a hole in their head

711
01:04:37,340 --> 01:04:44,220
um, and it appeared that the uh, the blood had been drained out of the bodies through this hole until the carcasses were totally dry of blood

712
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:49,820
But also the brain and spinal cord was missing from some of these animals through a very very small hole

713
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:51,660
and um

714
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:57,180
Just that fact alone made the vet say well, how the hell is how can something something do something like this?

715
01:04:57,740 --> 01:05:03,820
Now the interesting thing is that the one the one common factor with these things is the fact that there was always

716
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:10,300
Some form of strange aerial activity being seen taking place in the areas where these things were happening

717
01:05:11,020 --> 01:05:13,020
Obviously, this is what drew me towards it

718
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:15,420
now, uh

719
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:20,460
There was all sorts of things. There was one where 40 pigs were killed in one field overnight. Um, but what?

720
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:24,940
I started to look at it. We don't just look straight at these things

721
01:05:25,340 --> 01:05:32,620
Trying to sort of work out what is what is behind it and what we were finding there were large numbers of animals being found in very concentrated areas

722
01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:35,980
i.e in a space of 50 feet on one incident

723
01:05:36,620 --> 01:05:38,620
Uh, there was several sheep dead

724
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:44,620
There were foxes dead. There was a dead uh, two dead deer and a dead donkey all in a very very close proximity to each other

725
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:46,540
Now if you look at this

726
01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:47,740
closer

727
01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:52,380
You find that these animals would normally not be seen seen anywhere in the vicinity of each other

728
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:54,860
They all have their own type of territory

729
01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:59,260
Uh, but yet they were all in this very close uh, close, uh area

730
01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:01,820
um all dead

731
01:06:01,820 --> 01:06:07,020
That then implied that whatever it was that was killing these animals was actually taken from the normal habitat

732
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:12,220
Doing what they do to them and then placing them all back on the ground in one lump

733
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:17,180
In other words, they were taking a cross section of animals doing these things to them and then dumping them all in the same place

734
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:21,980
the very I think the breakthrough from my point of view became um

735
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:29,820
Not very long ago, certainly less than 12 months ago when uh, um a chap was driving a vehicle over a very remote moor over near whipby

736
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:34,300
Uh, uh, the dead of night. He was on his way back home. He had um one of these breakdowns

737
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:38,780
No, it wasn't it was a he would been delivering scrap metal and he was on his way back with his vehicle

738
01:06:39,580 --> 01:06:45,180
And suddenly as he was driving across the moor top he's confronted with these blinding lights coming towards him on the road

739
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:49,900
Um, he got so frightened because of this. He thought this vehicle was going to crash into him

740
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:52,140
He actually pulled off the side of the road to allow it to get past

741
01:06:53,020 --> 01:06:55,020
um, this thing shot past him

742
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:58,940
And then when it had gone past, of course, he pulls back onto the road and starts to drive

743
01:06:59,020 --> 01:07:01,740
But he'd only gone 50 or 60 feet further down the road

744
01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:04,780
And he had to stop again because there were all the dead animals lying in the road

745
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:08,700
On this occasion, there was a dead donkey. There were dead deer dead sheep

746
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,700
Dead foxes all lying in the middle of the road and he couldn't get past

747
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:19,020
He actually had to tie an anchor um a rope from his vehicle onto the donkey and some of the and so on

748
01:07:19,180 --> 01:07:21,900
Up to the side of the road to enable him to get past

749
01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:23,820
now

750
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:28,860
Work it out for yourself if um something like that's happened. How was that vehicle coming the other way?

751
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:31,660
It passed along that road

752
01:07:31,820 --> 01:07:33,180
and uh

753
01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:36,380
I am totally convinced now that this thing wasn't on the road surface

754
01:07:36,860 --> 01:07:41,420
Probably just above the road surface after uh initially dumping these things and then shooting away

755
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:44,220
following on from that

756
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:49,980
Some form of predator might be at work here and responsible for these horrendous mutilations

757
01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:53,180
What are we to make of this?

758
01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:57,660
I honestly and truly believe and I've gone into this animal mutilation in great depth, believe me

759
01:07:58,220 --> 01:08:02,460
Um, I honestly believe that there is a predator out there, but I believe more than one

760
01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,740
Or difficult to say but I mean if it's covering the

761
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:11,340
As on the global basis as it is I would certainly suggest there's more than one because it's happening all over the world

762
01:08:12,060 --> 01:08:13,340
um

763
01:08:13,340 --> 01:08:18,380
But the thing is when I say predator it's I don't think it's a predator by any concept we understand

764
01:08:18,540 --> 01:08:23,900
I think this is something when we tend to talk alien. I think this is alien to anything we really understand

765
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:30,780
It might be something which travels in the invisibility zone. Let's be right. There are things that we can't see i.e. we can't see him forever

766
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:32,380
It's there

767
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:35,900
These things may travel in these zones. They may be invisible to the naked eye

768
01:08:36,540 --> 01:08:38,540
They may come and do what they do

769
01:08:38,620 --> 01:08:41,820
And we aren't going to see him if they're there anyway. We just don't know

770
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:45,580
The 64 000 question is why are they doing it?

771
01:08:46,380 --> 01:08:50,460
Um, and I know there have been various reports from various parts of the world that it's

772
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:55,980
It's just possible that it's could have involved odd humans here and there but i'm not going to go into that

773
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:00,380
Finally there are people probably watching this interview wondering

774
01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:02,700
Is this man for real?

775
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:04,460
Are UFOs real?

776
01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:06,460
If you could look at that person right now

777
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:09,020
What would you say?

778
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:12,380
I would say first of all

779
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:14,380
Seek and you will find

780
01:09:14,780 --> 01:09:18,220
But don't just condemn this subject without investigating it

781
01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:22,540
It's very very easy to turn around and condemn things just off the top of your head

782
01:09:23,020 --> 01:09:25,020
We've put a lot of time and a lot of years

783
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:28,300
Into this investigation and I can assure you

784
01:09:28,860 --> 01:09:33,980
Without any question of a doubt that aliens are here aliens have been here for a long time

785
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:40,300
And aliens are in contact with various elements of the military and other

786
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:42,940
countries diplomats

787
01:09:43,740 --> 01:09:46,940
Uh, it wouldn't be prudent to me to say any more at this time

788
01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:50,940
But if you could believe me if you wish if you don't believe me well, that's entirely up to you

789
01:09:51,580 --> 01:09:57,100
But I gain nothing by saying these things only these are the things that I have uncovered during my investigations

790
01:10:01,020 --> 01:10:08,460
Over the past few years our research has taken us to many foreign lands in search of hard evidence for the reality of UFOs

791
01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:14,460
We visited the outer parameters of the top secret facility known as area 51 in navada

792
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:18,140
Plained by some to house crashed and recovered UFOs

793
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:22,220
It was interesting that during a time spent in nearby las vegas

794
01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:30,460
We managed to film this mysterious object which hovered in the distance right over area 51 before shooting away at speed

795
01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:36,700
Just a couple of years ago while in the airport terminal of rio de gineiro

796
01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:39,820
En route to attend a conference in cura chiba brazil

797
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:42,940
A pencil thin object appeared overhead

798
01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:47,260
It lingered long enough for us to capture these astonishing images

799
01:10:52,380 --> 01:10:56,300
The very next day while outside the conference venue in cura chiba itself

800
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:59,340
This unusual object appeared overhead

801
01:11:00,620 --> 01:11:06,460
Was it pure coincidence that such object should suddenly manifest themselves in front of an invited audience?

802
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:15,260
In december last year I had the good fortune to attend the first world UFO forum in the brazilian capital brazilia

803
01:11:16,460 --> 01:11:19,500
The following sequence is taken from the opening ceremony

804
01:11:20,140 --> 01:11:28,620
And perhaps reflects the stature attached to what was by far the biggest and perhaps the most important UFO conference ever staged in the history of the subject

805
01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:30,940
As you've no doubt already gathered

806
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:40,540
The importance that some attach to the UFO subject overseas is in stark contrast to the ridicule which is often heat upon adhering britain and the united states

807
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:44,940
Nonetheless UFO researchers continue to plug away

808
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:51,820
These researchers are looking for something tangible which can be used as material evidence in the great depot

809
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:55,740
One of these is photo and video analysts russell callahan

810
01:11:56,300 --> 01:12:03,500
Who combines his professional work with sifting through alleged UFO images that can often surface from the most surprising of places

811
01:12:05,420 --> 01:12:07,420
On the 15th of september 1991

812
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:14,300
The space shuttle discovery videotaped several glowing objects that floated along just above the earth's horizon

813
01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:21,180
The space shuttle discovery was a very large space shuttle that was used to capture the UFO objects

814
01:12:22,540 --> 01:12:24,540
Before sharply changing direction

815
01:12:24,860 --> 01:12:28,460
Apparently in response to a flash on the upper surface of the atmosphere

816
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:36,300
Watch now as two streaks some say missiles pass through the same region of space vacated by the object

817
01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:41,580
While nasa maintains the smaller objects were nothing more than ice crystals

818
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:44,940
acclaimed dismissed by dr. Jack kasha phd

819
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:51,180
Another segment of footage picked out by russell callahan might yet prove to be more significant

820
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:54,540
Jack kasha phd. He was intrigued

821
01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:58,780
He wanted to back nasa's claims that ice crystals

822
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:05,820
affected by the the rockets and and and the boosters on the space shuttle were what we were seeing on this particular videotape

823
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:09,580
It was astonished to find that on five separate occasions

824
01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:15,980
Not only could he prove that it wasn't ice crystals, but what we're looking at are intelligently controlled craft

825
01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:18,860
Leaving an entry in the earth's atmosphere

826
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:21,260
Those are dr. Kasha's own claims

827
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:25,500
But the concentration has been on the streaks across the sky and the flashes

828
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:28,060
The flashes could well be the booster rockets

829
01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:31,020
Of the shuttle maneuvering it in space

830
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:33,980
But further on there's another piece of footage which

831
01:13:35,260 --> 01:13:37,260
Is more interesting to myself

832
01:13:37,340 --> 01:13:40,620
That could actually show something that's not supposed to exist

833
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,500
What we're looking at here is an hl 20

834
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:49,900
It's a prototype. It's an artist's drawing. It's an impression. It's never been built. So we're led to believe

835
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:52,860
The concept is for a 10 man shuttle

836
01:13:53,820 --> 01:13:56,940
Or a small amount of payload something that could be

837
01:13:57,660 --> 01:13:59,660
Launched into space cheaply

838
01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:01,100
to feed

839
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:04,540
Our impression of space station freedom. It could be a support vessel

840
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:07,980
Well, take a look at these three images

841
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:10,620
three frames

842
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,620
from the sgs 48 footage

843
01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:15,020
a distant object filmed from

844
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:22,940
What is basically a security type camera a small black and white camera not made for tv images not made for production

845
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:28,780
Use just so that the astronauts on board the shuttle can actually see what's going on inside the payload bay

846
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:31,980
Well, the payload bay is empty at this point

847
01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:34,780
The three frames

848
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:36,780
We've seen a triangular shaped object

849
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:39,740
coming towards the shuttle

850
01:14:40,220 --> 01:14:42,220
The camera actually follows it

851
01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:46,460
And the light of the area at the top is actually the atmosphere of the earth as the

852
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:51,340
The arm with the camera on pans and tilts to follow this object

853
01:14:51,980 --> 01:14:54,060
Now we can see clearly a deltas shaped

854
01:14:54,860 --> 01:14:55,820
wing

855
01:14:55,820 --> 01:15:01,660
And a tail don't forget this is still probably several thousand feet away from the space shuttle

856
01:15:02,940 --> 01:15:07,420
But if we read what the Langley research centre told us about the hl 20

857
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:12,380
And their idea that a small shuttle 29 feet long

858
01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:17,820
Capable of carrying up to 10 astronauts into low earth orbit or small amounts of payload

859
01:15:18,460 --> 01:15:19,900
All very interesting

860
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:22,380
But the thing that the claim back in the 1980s

861
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:27,580
Are that with its wings folded it will fit inside the payload bay of the shuttle

862
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:36,060
Now what more an empty shuttle bay a camera are we watching the hl 20 or a prototype of the hl 20?

863
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:42,380
Coming into the shuttle who knows but these questions have never been answered by NASA or by anyone else

864
01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:50,140
SDS 80 is much more recent than sds 48

865
01:15:51,260 --> 01:15:54,700
SDS 80 was at the end of 1996

866
01:15:55,980 --> 01:15:57,980
What you're about to see

867
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,300
Are remarkable images

868
01:16:00,380 --> 01:16:02,380
Filmed from the space shuttle

869
01:16:02,540 --> 01:16:07,260
And filmed from a remote camera not a camera like the one we're using to record this program

870
01:16:07,660 --> 01:16:11,260
But a camera that's made just to see the back door of the shuttle

871
01:16:11,660 --> 01:16:15,420
It's not made for high resolution pictures, but watch what happens

872
01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:22,380
The flashes

873
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:26,460
Lightning strikes these occur every minute of the day somewhere on the earth

874
01:16:26,940 --> 01:16:29,100
And of course we're seeing quite an area of the earth

875
01:16:29,660 --> 01:16:31,900
Plenty lightning strikes thunderstorms

876
01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:34,780
Basically just weather activity

877
01:16:35,980 --> 01:16:39,580
But the interesting point comes with these small objects seem to be

878
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:42,380
wondering about

879
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:46,860
Controlled objects seem to know where they're going

880
01:16:48,620 --> 01:16:50,620
But watch the center area of the screen

881
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:55,020
Something quite remarkable is about to happen

882
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:09,500
Not only something remarkable happening we see an enormous object come through the clouds

883
01:17:11,340 --> 01:17:14,300
If there were people on the shuttle or people monitoring these cameras

884
01:17:15,020 --> 01:17:18,940
At ground control you would think there's something to say hey, what's going on up there?

885
01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:21,820
Well watch

886
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:24,060
In the bottom right hand corner of the screen

887
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:27,180
Three objects forming a triangular shape

888
01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:33,740
You think if somebody was watching and they had the facility to zoom with the camera

889
01:17:34,460 --> 01:17:36,940
Then they'd get closer. Let's have a proper look

890
01:17:38,140 --> 01:17:40,140
And indeed that's just what they do

891
01:17:42,460 --> 01:17:46,140
The footage you've just seen was sent to us by the San Francisco UFO museum

892
01:17:46,940 --> 01:17:48,940
Remarkable as it is

893
01:17:49,580 --> 01:17:53,100
It's been offered to news companies documentary makers

894
01:17:53,740 --> 01:17:55,740
Broadcasters alike

895
01:17:56,060 --> 01:17:58,540
It's yet to be seen on British television

896
01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:01,580
Why?

897
01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:10,700
Perhaps the best visual images of UFOs to surface in recent years has been those taken over Mexico

898
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:31,100
So

899
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:01,100
So

900
01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:31,740
These

901
01:19:40,380 --> 01:19:45,740
Extraordinary images brought to this country by UFO researcher Santiago Gaza

902
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:50,300
Ampli demonstrate why Mexico has become the UFO hotspot of the world

903
01:19:51,740 --> 01:19:56,140
Another leading figure helping to bring such images to a much wider world audience

904
01:19:56,460 --> 01:19:59,740
Is television presenter and UFO researcher, Jami Masan

905
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:05,260
Among the guest overseas speakers at the 1998 Leeds International UFO conference

906
01:20:06,220 --> 01:20:11,580
Jami often comes across all manner of strange and bizarre images while researching the UFO phenomenon

907
01:20:12,460 --> 01:20:17,020
But surely none more strange or bizarre than the sequence you're about to see now

908
01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:24,620
This remarkable footage is claimed to have been taken in New Mexico in the early part of 1997

909
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:28,220
Watch closely as the UFO descends to the ground

910
01:20:28,860 --> 01:20:31,180
Note the rising dust and debris from impact

911
01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:38,380
Then see how the UFO takes back to the air only to descend one final time before exploding on impact

912
01:20:39,580 --> 01:20:41,580
Watch the sequence again

913
01:20:41,980 --> 01:20:43,980
Note the clouds of dust

914
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:46,060
The vapor trail

915
01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:48,700
And also note how the picture remains still

916
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:54,860
Indicating it was possibly mounted on a tripod and that the cameraman knew what to expect

917
01:20:59,660 --> 01:21:07,020
The UFO crash video might be nothing more than images taken of an experimental aircraft or missile that badly malfunctioned

918
01:21:07,420 --> 01:21:09,420
But then again, who's to say?

919
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:16,380
It's yet another piece to add to a puzzle that continues to fascinate and attract the attention of millions throughout the world

920
01:21:17,340 --> 01:21:23,180
Sure enough the images that we've seen and the accounts that have accompanied them could be construed as hard evidence

921
01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:25,660
But of what specifically?

922
01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:27,740
Are aliens visiting our planet?

923
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:31,180
If so, who are they? Where are they from?

924
01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:33,820
And why are they here?

925
01:21:33,980 --> 01:21:37,900
These are deep-seated questions that will eventually be answered in the course of time

926
01:21:38,860 --> 01:21:41,100
But time for now at any rate is against us

927
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:47,340
We hope very much that you've enjoyed this presentation and are a little better informed as a result

928
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:50,140
Keep watching the skies

929
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:53,740
And I hope you can join us again in volume two of UFO's

930
01:21:54,380 --> 01:21:56,380
hard evidence

931
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,100
You

932
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:43,100
You

933
01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:54,300
SDS 80 is much more recent than sds 48

934
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:58,860
SDS 80 was at the end of 1996

935
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:02,220
What you're about to see

936
01:23:02,540 --> 01:23:04,540
are remarkable images

937
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:06,620
Filmed from the space shuttle

938
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:11,500
And filmed from a remote camera not a camera like the one we're using to record this program

939
01:23:11,900 --> 01:23:15,420
But a camera that's made just to see the back door of the shuttle

940
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:19,660
It's not made for high resolution pictures, but watch what happens

941
01:23:24,860 --> 01:23:26,540
The flashes

942
01:23:26,540 --> 01:23:30,620
Lightning strikes these occur every minute of the day somewhere on the earth

943
01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:33,260
And of course we've seen quite an area of the earth

944
01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:36,060
Plenty lightning strikes, thunderstorms

945
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:39,020
Basically just weather activity

946
01:23:40,220 --> 01:23:43,740
But the interesting point comes with these small objects seem to be

947
01:23:44,540 --> 01:23:46,540
wondering about

948
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:51,020
Controlled objects seem to know where they're going

949
01:23:52,780 --> 01:23:54,780
But watch the center area of the screen

950
01:23:56,620 --> 01:23:59,180
Something quite remarkable is about to happen

951
01:24:04,220 --> 01:24:13,660
Not only something remarkable happening we see an enormous object come through the clouds

952
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:18,460
If there were people on the shuttle or people monitoring these cameras

953
01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:23,100
At ground control you would think there's something to say hey, what's going on up there?

954
01:24:23,980 --> 01:24:25,980
Well watch

955
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:28,300
In the bottom right hand corner of the screen

956
01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:31,420
Three objects forming a triangular shape

957
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:37,900
You think if somebody was watching and they had the facility to zoom with the camera

958
01:24:38,620 --> 01:24:41,100
Then they get closer. Let's have a proper look

959
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:44,300
And indeed that's just what they do

960
01:24:46,620 --> 01:24:50,300
The footage you've just seen was sent to us by the San Francisco UFO museum

961
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:53,020
Remarkable as it is

962
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:57,260
It's been offered to news companies documentary makers

963
01:24:57,820 --> 01:24:59,820
Broadcasters alike

964
01:25:00,220 --> 01:25:02,780
It's yet to be seen on British television

965
01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:05,820
Why?

966
01:25:08,620 --> 01:25:14,940
Perhaps the best visual images of UFOs to surface in recent years has been those taken over Mexico

967
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:35,260
So

968
01:26:03,260 --> 01:26:05,260
So

969
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:35,980
So

970
01:26:44,140 --> 01:26:49,900
These extraordinary images brought to this country by UFO researcher Santiago Gaza

971
01:26:50,460 --> 01:26:54,460
Ampli demonstrate why Mexico has become the UFO hotspot of the world

972
01:26:55,900 --> 01:27:00,300
Another leading figure helping to bring such images to a much wider world audience

973
01:27:00,700 --> 01:27:03,900
Is television presenter and UFO researcher, Jami Masan

974
01:27:04,540 --> 01:27:09,500
Among the guest overseas speakers at the 1998 Leeds International UFO conference

975
01:27:10,460 --> 01:27:15,820
Jami often comes across all manner of strange and bizarre images while researching the UFO phenomenon

976
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:21,260
But surely none more strange or bizarre than the sequence you're about to see now

977
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:28,860
This remarkable footage is claimed to have been taken in new Mexico in the early part of 1997

978
01:27:29,740 --> 01:27:32,380
Watch closely as the UFO descends to the ground

979
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:35,340
Note the rising dust and debris from impact

980
01:27:35,980 --> 01:27:38,460
Then see how the UFO takes back to the air

981
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:42,540
Only to descend one final time before exploding on impact

982
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:45,740
Watch the sequence again

983
01:27:46,140 --> 01:27:48,140
Note the clouds of dust

984
01:27:48,460 --> 01:27:50,300
The vapor trail

985
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:52,860
And also note how the picture remains still

986
01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:59,020
Indicating it was possibly mounted on a tripod and that the cameraman knew what to expect

987
01:28:03,820 --> 01:28:11,180
The UFO crash video might be nothing more than images taken of an experimental aircraft or missile that badly malfunctioned

988
01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:13,580
But then again, who's to say?

989
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:20,540
It's yet another piece to add to a puzzle that continues to fascinate and attract the attention of millions throughout the world

990
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:27,340
Sure enough the images that we've seen and the accounts that have accompanied them could be construed as hard evidence

991
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:29,820
But of what specifically?

992
01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:31,900
Are aliens visiting our planet?

993
01:28:32,380 --> 01:28:35,340
If so, who are they? Where are they from?

994
01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:37,980
And why are they here?

995
01:28:38,140 --> 01:28:42,060
These are deep-seated questions that will eventually be answered in the course of time

996
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:45,260
But time for now at any rate is against us

997
01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:51,580
We hope very much that you've enjoyed this presentation and are a little better informed as a result

998
01:28:52,460 --> 01:28:54,300
Keep watching the skies

999
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:57,900
And I hope you can join us again in volume two of UFO's

1000
01:28:58,540 --> 01:29:00,540
Hard evidence

1001
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:47,260
You